In addition to Evert Caldwell, several persons who wish to remain anonymous, gathered data and contributed to this report and the previous article entitled "New Numbers Cast Doubt On Postlegate". Evert Caldwell is the original co-founder and a current owner of Rounder Life Media. Contact editor@rounderlife.com with any related questions.This story was last updated January 19, 2020 at 3:15 (CST)
Graphical malfunction highlights flawed reporting methods
By Evert Caldwell
Rounder Report : In the following report we break down the February 16, 2019 session Mike Postle played on the Stones Live Poker Show. In our initial Profit Comparison Graph introduced in an article we posted on January 9th, 2020 entitled “New Numbers Cast Doubt On Postlegate” we listed Postle’s profit for this session at $7,768. Upon further review we are now reporting his profit at $7,646. The $122 discrepancy has been updated to the chart (below).
As we previously noted : “These numbers are not final, as ‘out of pocket’ add-ons and graphical errors are very difficult to catch and more instances may be found as we continue our review“.
The February 16, 20219 session is also one that Joey Ingram broke down on Joeyingram1.
Ingram reported Postle’s profit at $8,359. The majority of the ($713) difference between his and Rounder’s ($7,646) bottom line is from two hands Ingram missed (hands #2 and #28). Other than those instances the two charts match-up very closely.
* If you notice any errors in our report(s) please notify editor@rounderlife.com
In the February 16, 2019 stream, Gumpnstein (Gump) and John S. reported Postle’s winnings at $8,500 and $8,400 respectively. Since their final numbers are close to what Rounder and Ingram reported, you may surmise they reported on the stream accurately. If so, you would be mistaken.
Instead, it’s another example of how flawed their charts are. In fact, Gump and John S.’ bottom line profit numbers for this stream were close by pure accident.
Rounder Report : Breakdown of Mike Postle February 16, 2019 Stream At Stones
Detailed Report
Report #2 Veronica & Friends February 16, 2019
Starting Stack
The first view of Postle’s stack is at 21:40 where the Stones’ graphics show “Apostle” with $1.8k. Rounder estimates Postle’s starting stack to be $1,640 (*When using hand by hand tracking the starting stack estimate is irrelevant). Gump had Postle’s initial stack at $1,100 and reported a $500 re-buy, putting Postle in the game for $1,600 by his account. John S. reported that Postle bought in for $1,500. * John S. includes any re-buys he records in the total buy-in amount.
The first discrepancy we note is at the 33:40 mark where a chip runner can be seen picking up Postle’s cash on the table for non-reported add-on #1 for what we’ve determined was $1,500. * Only one $500 re-buy was reported by Gump for this stream.
At 34:16 the chip runner delivers $500 (in green players checks) of the $1,500 add-on. The remaining $1,000 is delivered about 3:00 minutes later.
At 37:01 although the actual drop off of the $1,000 in white players checks isn’t caught on camera, the chip runner can be seen walking away from the table as Postle adds the chips to his stack.
At 37:06 a clear view of Postle’s stack shows a $1,000 increase in white chips after receiving the remainder of his $1,500 add-on. * Refer back to stack when he receives $500 in green to compare (white stack size).
The second discrepancy is at the 48:10 mark where Postle can be seen putting cash on the table for his second non-reported add-on, also for $1,500.
At 50:03 Postle enters a hand holding pocket JJs. *Notice his stack includes $700 in white chips.
While the hand is in progress, Postle receives $1,500 in white chips. At 3:09:45 Listen to Ben J talk about not accounting for chips coming to Postle during the hand. * Ben J actually states that Postle received $2,000 but we’ve determined it to be $1,500.
In our report for this stream we include $3,000 in add-ons, documented above. Gump reported Postle was in the game for $1,600 ($1,100 buy-in with a $500 rebuy) and cashed out for $10,000 for a profit of $8,400. John S. reported Postle being in for $1,500, cashing out for $10,000 with a $8,500 profit. Implementing their starting and ending stack calculation method and taking into consideration the $3,000 total add-ons they missed, Mike Postle’s profit(s) for this session should have been around $5,500. However, they missed the add-ons and still reported an in the ballpark bottom line of $8,500.
What happened ?
The problem occurred at around the 3:52 mark during hand #76 of the stream when the graphics malfunctioned and showed Postle’s stack changing from $10.2k to $95k.
At 4:10:10 the graphics adjusted to $9.6k. This calculates to an $800 loss for Postle during the 20:00 minute graphic malfunction period. However, Postle actually won several pots during the span for a net gain of around $1,300. The over $2,000 error enabled Gump and John S.’ report to seem close to legit, as it made up for a chunk of the $3,000 in missed buy-ins.
This is what happens when you “skip ahead”. You not only miss add-ons, but graphical errors. As previously stated, we’ve uncovered numerous instances where graphical errors lead to major discrepancies, more commonly involving incorrect players chip stacks.
Rounder reports Postle’s ending stack for the stream at $12,286. We tracked every hand tallying his wins and losses to get our result. Trying to determine an ending stack simply by a visual, or relying on Stones’ graphics is impossible in many instances, especially when dealing with large stacks. If one was to estimate Postle’s stack size at the end of this stream from the image below, $7,500 might be a fair guess.
However, we can see from a pic 11:00 minutes earlier at 4:01:56 that Postle had a large stack of $100 white chips that ended up being completely blocked from view by the end of the stream. Although it’s common that larger chip denominations are up front, in this instance they weren’t.
End of Report
This is only the second instance we’ve come across where Postle’s ending stack was mis-reported as being lower than what it actually was. Normally when Stones is off, it’s reported higher.
Although the title of this report is “Even When Gump And John S. Get It Right, They’re Wrong“, they really didn’t get anything right. They missed $3,000 in add-ons ($2,500 in Gump’s case), and relied on Stones’ error prone graphics to luck box their way to a close to accurate profit number (within $800). Of course they saved time. It took us over 10 hours to track and finalize our report.
According to John S., sometimes it only takes them “maybe 15 minutes”.
For hand by hand profit/loss tracking report click here.
For a breakdown and comparison of numbers click here.
We want to make it clear that Rounder Life Media is not giving an opinion as to whether or not we believe Mike Postle is innocent of these very serious allegations. We are searching for the truth, and reporting facts not unsubstantiated conjecture.
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